[TSSF-studies] PILGRIMAGE ON THE FRANCISCANINTELLECTUALTRADITION7- 15...

[Revd Margaret Dimmick]

What a good idea, I have been looking at it, and will check the Novice I am
guarding has, too!
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  Subject: Re: [TSSF-studies] PILGRIMAGE ON THE
FRANCISCANINTELLECTUALTRADITION7- 15...


  Further to my email just now: try this one for starters, but no doubt
people know better ones.....

  http://www.wtu.edu/franciscan/packs/tour/index.html

  If a local group held a meeting at an internet-connected member's house,
they could all view this together, and anyone who has been could fill in
with their memories.

  Richard.
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    From: Valerie Povey
    To: tssf-studies at justus.anglican.org
    Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:31 PM
    Subject: Re: [TSSF-studies] PILGRIMAGE ON THE
FRANCISCANINTELLECTUALTRADITION7 - 15...


    Yes Penelope, I heartily agree. It is all beyond my pocket. Val Povey
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      From: Penelope Fletcher
      To: tssf-studies at justus.anglican.org
      Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:05 PM
      Subject: Re: [TSSF-studies] PILGRIMAGE ON THE FRANCISCAN
INTELLECTUALTRADITION7 - 15...


      Part of me would love to go on this

      BUT

      doesn't it seem a bit incongruous to spend so much money studying
someone who embraced 'Lady Poverty'?  Yes life is not as it was in Francis'
time and cannot be so  but surely there are other ways to study the
intellectual tradition?

      For instance a video that could be made and viewed in Areas so that
each are could then, if they wished, run a pilgrimage to one of the places
mentioned.
      Or one of the franciscan Scholars could be studied in depth.

      Even the General Chapter is beyond some tertiaries - no we are not all
wealthy. Is there a danger of 'one -upmanship' here. So many pilgrimages to
Asissi -yet again many cannot afford to go and yet sometmes it might be
thought to be an essential requirement! (This is not sour grapes I have been
to Asissi it was the begining of my interest in Francis)

      It just worries me slightly

      Penelope Fletcher


      Original Message -----
        From: GPlumb2000 at aol.com
        To: tssf-studies at justus.anglican.org
        Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:39 PM
        Subject: Re: [TSSF-studies] PILGRIMAGE ON THE FRANCISCAN
INTELLECTUALTRADITION 7 - 15...


        Very splendid - but also very expensive. I would love to be able to
go. But how does spending the best part of £1,000 on this fit with Day 12 of
the Principles?

        "Personal spending is limited to what is necessary for the health
and well-being of us and of our dependents?"

        I think there is a case for a thorough-going discussion of what
poverty has meant in the Franciscan tradition and what it might mean today.
There has been a great deal written about poverty and the Franciscan
tradition in recent years.

        An issue that keeps nagging me is that living simply/espousing
voluntary poverty is only an option for those who are comfortably off. What
of those for whom voluntary poverty is not an option because they are
already grindlngly poor? Is the Franciscan way not open to them? (How far
does the socio-economic make up of the TO reflect that of our wider
society - and if not why not?


        Gordon Plumb




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