[RivCompanions] An email gone astray?

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How wonderful re: the loss of double vision! I am so thankful!!

On Friday, June 27, 2014, Virginia Brown <mothervirginiadb at gmail.com> wrote:

> PS  I wasn't going to announce this quite yet, till I'd had the experience
> of driving to Houston and maybe back, though I've shared it with several of
> our Companions as occasion permits.  But since it came up at GC, and
> partly, as I recall, in relation to my living and traveling...
>
> To my great astonishment, it seems that that neurological specialist in
> St. Louis may be right.  Though the local neurologist rather poo-poohed the
> idea, and I thought it was pretty far-fetched, we agreed to give the
> recommendation of a trial of anti-migraine prophylactic meds a whirl and
> see if anything happened.  (The specialist thought that my double vision
> problem might be migraines without the headaches.  Hmm.)  So...(drum roll)
>   The double vision, which I'd been having for more than a year, has almost
> entirely stopped!  Of course, I started the medication the day after GC
> concluded, and I imagine you all's prayers contributed as well; thank you,
> and thanks be to God.  At any rate, I should be relatively safe on the
> highway, and relatively safe, too, from the spate of double-vision jokes my
> family has enjoyed.  Though less entertaining.
>
> Love,
> Virginia
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Virginia Brown <
> mothervirginiadb at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mothervirginiadb at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Murray is of course quite right.  It doesn't matter whether
>> contributions from members of the Community are given monthly or annually
>> or whatever!
>>
>> One way of viewing where we are right now is that we made a decision to
>> have a new Rivendell site (i.e., for me to move to Houston, entailing a
>> small apartment), but had already approved a budget which envisioned our
>> work remaining about the same as the current (or immediate past) year,
>> without provision for this.  We may well be able to accommodate this, but
>> we need to do some "number crunching" and have some conversation.  This, of
>> course, only makes sense because currently I'm pooling all income coming to
>> me into the common Rivendell purse; otherwise, it might be a decision I'd
>> want to discuss with my chapter, but would be more in the realm of personal
>> financial stewardship--though I'd still want to view it in the light of the
>> commitment to holy poverty in whatever form that took in my circumstances.
>>
>> My thought is that, at least for the remainder of the calendar year, it
>> makes sense for us to proceed as we did during the three years when Lisa,
>> Becca and I were living in the rectory at Branson where I was serving as a
>> kind of long-term interim:  I simply used the Community's account for our
>> relatively modest expenses, sending a report and receipts monthly, and of
>> course continuing to have my retirement benefit as well as the modest
>> stipend from the church deposited to the Community account.  Living in
>> Houston would, of course, be a good deal more expensive:  In Branson the
>> rectory and utilities were supplied by the church.  We may find that it
>> makes more sense to separate things out more when we have more experience.
>>
>> And, of course, all this is just a small facet of the question of the
>> Motherhouse, the overall mission of Rivendell, and how we might best be
>> faithful to God's call to us now.  As Bishop Howe pointed out at GC, we
>> have grown and changed in ways we couldn't have foreseen; and as always, we
>> journey in faith and hope.  We probably can't see it all at the moment; we
>> may need simply to move ahead with what we do see, but I think we should be
>> thoughtful and prayerful, and have a general idea--realizing that it's
>> STCASAW!
>>
>> Much love,
>> Virginia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:49 PM, McKay, Murray <murray.mckay at siemens.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','murray.mckay at siemens.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> The $500/mo. is not counting non-monthly contributions.  In the past, I
>>> was contributing a couple of times a year with larger amounts.  As a result
>>> of discussions at GC, I have switched to a monthly system.  If we can get
>>> more of the companions to contribute predictably, the numbers might look
>>> better.
>>>
>>> It really comes down to the level of relative importance of the
>>> Motherhouse ministry vs. other ministries Rivendell members are supporting,
>>> and the perceived need for financial support for the Motherhouse ministry.
>>>   In the past, we were paying off the Motherhouse mortgage quite quickly,
>>> so there did not appear to be a need for more contributions.   Presently,
>>> with capital improvements (cottages, tractor) the need seems to be greater.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2014, at 4:22 PM, "susanna601 at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susanna601 at aol.com');><mailto:
>>> susanna601 at aol.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susanna601 at aol.com');>>"
>>> <susanna601 at aol.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susanna601 at aol.com');>
>>> <mailto:susanna601 at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susanna601 at aol.com');>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And so what that actually means is that there would be $500.00/month for
>>> the Community House/month.
>>> I do not see that this is feasible for the long run.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Susie Danielsson <susiedanielsson at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susiedanielsson at gmail.com');><mailto:
>>> susiedanielsson at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susiedanielsson at gmail.com');>>>
>>> To: Companions of the Rivendell Community <
>>> RivCompanions at justus.anglican.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','RivCompanions at justus.anglican.org');>
>>> <mailto:RivCompanions at justus.anglican.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','RivCompanions at justus.anglican.org');>>>
>>> Sent: Thu, Jun 26, 2014 1:59 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [RivCompanions] An email gone astray?
>>>
>>> We are working on getting the regular income put together, but we are
>>> busy getting ready for a retreat this weekend and don't have much time.  I
>>> can tell you that if Virginia takes all of her income out of the Rivendell
>>> account it would make sense for me to do that as well.  That is what
>>> Virginia and I have been discussing. What we do with our personal income
>>> should not be a matter for the whole community to decide.  As long as it
>>> goes directly into the Rivendell account and V and I live out of a common
>>> purse, then how we spend it does matter to the community. It is not a
>>> common purse if I am the only one putting all my income into it.   The
>>> regular income left, which we could count on would be about $500 a month.
>>> That comes from three Companions. Retreat income is spotty.  We will get
>>> the actual income soon, but this gives you an idea.  As I said before, only
>>> Virginia and I can make the decision about our incomes.
>>>
>>> The immediate impact of both of us taking our money out would be that
>>> cars would need to be titled to the individuals who drive them, as well as
>>> the insurance.  The family plan for cell phones would need to be cancelled
>>> and everyone get her own plan.
>>>
>>> Love,
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 7:56 AM, <susanna601 at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susanna601 at aol.com');><mailto:
>>> susanna601 at aol.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susanna601 at aol.com');>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> Martha, the tractor has already been bought.
>>>
>>> But the questions remains, and only  or Virginia can answer it - I do
>>> not know what the regular income of Rivendell is without taking Virginia's
>>> into consideration - but it is an important question because retreat income
>>> is NOT "regular" -
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>> ,
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Martha <mjctx2 at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mjctx2 at gmail.com');><mailto:
>>> mjctx2 at gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mjctx2 at gmail.com');>>>
>>> To: Companions of the Rivendell Community <
>>> RivCompanions at justus.anglican.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','RivCompanions at justus.anglican.org');>
>>> <mailto:RivCompanions at justus.anglican.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','RivCompanions at justus.anglican.org');>>>
>>> Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 5:46 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [RivCompanions] An email gone astray?
>>>
>>> After Susie's suggestion I did find your first email on this, Cathy, in
>>> my "junk" folder.
>>> I think you raise several very good points. I would like to know the
>>> answer to one of the questions - without V's income, about how much regular
>>> monthly income do we actually have. I think this - along with our regular
>>> monthly expenses including the commitment we have made to repay ourselves -
>>> is one of the most important pieces of data to consider in deciding if we
>>> can indeed afford the tractor now.
>>> And you are right, it is not fair to leave almost the full weight of
>>> this on Susie and V.
>>> Martha
>>>
>>>
>>> Solo Dios Basta
>>> Only God, nothing else and nothing less, is sufficient.
>>>
>>> On Jun 25, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Susie Danielsson <susiedanielsson at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susiedanielsson at gmail.com');><mailto:
>>> susiedanielsson at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susiedanielsson at gmail.com');>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I found it in my spam folder.  Anyone who didn't get it the first time
>>> might want to look there.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Virginia Brown <
>>> mothervirginiadb at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mothervirginiadb at gmail.com');><mailto:
>>> mothervirginiadb at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mothervirginiadb at gmail.com');>>> wrote:
>>> Dear Companions,
>>>
>>> I spoke with Cathy a little while ago and learned that she attempted to
>>> send out this email to the Professed list, and while some received it, some
>>> apparently did not.  As she suggested, I'll try sending it again and we'll
>>> see if it works.  Cathy raises some significant issues which I think have
>>> been on several minds in various forms, so please do read it and join in
>>> the conversation.
>>>
>>> Love,
>>> V
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:13 AM, <susanna601 at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susanna601 at aol.com');><mailto:
>>> susanna601 at aol.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susanna601 at aol.com');>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> I voted YES - but I have some different questions that were not clear in
>>> my mind, and which I posed to Susie.
>>> Susie and I have discussed this. V and I have talked briefly as well.
>>>
>>> But Susie said that she did not receive this when I sent it to all the
>>> professed, so I have corrected the figures and am sending it again.
>>>
>>> Please, let's discuss this as unemotionally as possible - and on this
>>> list. This is NOT a concern that the novices and postulants need to be
>>> engaged in at this point...
>>>
>>> We now owe ourselves $80,000.....That nearly empties the "development
>>> fund" that Virginia set up for Rivendell when she received a large chunk of
>>> money from her Aunt's estate. That just means we have spent nearly all of
>>> the $100,000 she gave to the Community after her Aunt's death, and it means
>>> there is no more to be had - so we need to husband whatever resources we
>>> still have carefully.
>>>
>>> My concern was/is simply this: How do we repay ourselves without
>>> increased, steady income?
>>> Our monthly repayment is now not just the $365 Susie mentions, but with
>>> the other loans, the total repayment is close to $1,500/mo.
>>>
>>> The financial aspect of this is essential to consider, since Virginia is
>>> also looking to move to Houston and her retirement income will need to go
>>> with her to finance a small apartment. She needs the quiet and privacy of
>>> her own space. She has already researched cost of living there. She and I
>>> talked briefly about this yesterday. Her income will NOT remain in Dunnegan
>>> when she moves.
>>>
>>> Once we take Virgina's income out of the equation, is there enough
>>> regular income from Susie's retirement, from retreats, from Companions, to
>>> pay this amount AND keep up the other expenses of the house? (We have, of
>>> course, lost also the Diocesan support for room/board and Virgina's
>>> leadership of George Herbert)
>>>
>>> There will be $15,000 left in the "development fund" and approximately
>>> $6,000 left in the savings account (Susie couldn't remember exactly how
>>> much, and I don't know) -       Is that enough reserve in case of emergency?
>>>
>>> I am still concerned about the long-term financial viability of
>>> Rivendell (the house) without a real plan for its long-term use and income.
>>> I know we have dreams and ideas, but that is not quite the same as a plan.
>>>
>>> Again, please, I am not attacking Susie, who is my friend; I am not
>>> denying the need for a tractor. I am not "siding with" anyone or against
>>> anyone.
>>>
>>> I am asking questions we need to be able to discuss without just saying
>>> to Susie, "whatever you want is fine" - because that puts a huge burden on
>>> her to make all the right choices when she is not sure what Virginia thinks
>>> or, for that matter, what God intends -
>>> OR to say to V, "whatever you say is fine" - which puts an identical
>>> burden on her to speak up when she is unsure, but reluctant to disagree -
>>>  and is herself unsure about God's purposes in all this - and when the two
>>> of them do not see quite eye-to-eye it leaves them both struggling to
>>> decide how to proceed -
>>>
>>> Everyone needs to engage in this conversation, because it affects all of
>>> us - The question of planning, actual, hard planning for our future in
>>> Dunnegan HAS TO HAPPEN, and preferably first among us.
>>> The consensus at Chapter was that we should keep the property and there
>>> is now a consensus that we should incur more "debt" or spend most of our
>>> remaining resources - whichever way you want to put it -
>>>
>>> But it is not fair to leave all the details about how this ACTUALLY
>>> works out to Susie and Virginia alone just because for the moment they are
>>> the only ones who live there and it is easier to dump the whole thing in
>>> their laps.
>>> And no, I do NOT have any answers, either. But that does not obviate the
>>> need we all have to have a serious conversation about this -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: susanna601 <susanna601 at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susanna601 at aol.com');><mailto:
>>> susanna601 at aol.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susanna601 at aol.com');>
>>> >>
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>>> Sent: Tue, Jun 24, 2014 8:49 am
>>> Subject: Re: [RivCompanions] Vote needed
>>>
>>> I vote yes, but I do want to be clear about the internal loan status -
>>> This is my understanding from what Susie wrote: When we buy the tractor,
>>> our debt (to ourselves) will be approximately $80,000.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                    We will have approximately $15,000 left in the
>>> development fund which will only slowly recover.
>>>
>>>                    That leaves us no financial wiggle-room should something
>>> else come up.
>>> What I do not see is the total amount of the MONTHLY loan repayment, for
>>> all three loans.
>>> I'd like to be reassured that whatever it is, that the monthly total
>>> will not exceed what we can comfortably re-pay ourselves.
>>> Cathy
>>>
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