<div>The other side of the 'seeing materialism ..' bit is that a lot of very poor people want material goods <EM>more</EM> because they see others with a lot and what it can do. My parents, who went through 2 world wars, and a Depression put great store on it in Birmingham in the 40s-60s but managed to be generous as well. Others didn't. Then there's the education out of poverty bit. This is widening the issue but if aspirants come from Africa, India, South America, Asia ... maybe needs some thought and prayer.</div> <div> Pax et Bonum,</div> <div> Sister Avril t.s.s.f.<BR><BR><B><I>Averil Swanton <averilswanton@fish.co.uk></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Generator> <META content="Microsoft Word 9"
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Principles, Day 7 & <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>8, will nudge us in the direction of justice, without which there is no true peace. Perhaps TSSF will only appeal to those who see that materialism is not all that it is cracked up to be and to reach that point one has to have material comfort. There is a well-known theory in management circles that unless and until physical needs are met , there is no chance of meeting mental or spiritual needs.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle15><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle15><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">I wrestle with this on a regular basis.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> tssf-studies-bounces+averilswanton=fish.co.uk@justus.anglican.org [mailto:tssf-studies-bounces+averilswanton=fish.co.uk@justus.anglican.org]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>GPlumb2000@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 12 February 2006 20:40<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> tssf-studies@justus.anglican.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [TSSF-studies] PILGRIMAGE ON THE FRANCISCAN INTELLECTUALTRADITION 7 - 15...</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Very splendid - but also very expensive. I would love to be able to go. But how does spending the best part of £1,000 on this fit with Day 12 of the Principles?<BR><BR>"Personal spending is limited to what is necessary for the health and well-being of us and of our dependents?"<BR><BR>I think there is a case for a thorough-going discussion of what poverty has meant in the Franciscan tradition and what it might mean today. There has been a great deal written about poverty and the Franciscan tradition in recent years.<BR><BR>An issue that keeps nagging me is that living simply/espousing voluntary poverty is only an option for those who are comfortably off. What of those for whom voluntary poverty is not an option because they are already grindlngly poor? Is the Franciscan way not open to them? (How far does the socio-economic make up of the TO reflect that of our wider society - and if not why not?<BR><BR><BR>Gordon Plumb</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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