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PTSIZE=10 FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
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non-voluntary poverty is <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>not</span></b> an
option and other Principles, Day 7 & <span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>8, will nudge us in the direction of justice, without which
there is no true peace. Perhaps TSSF will only appeal to those who see that
materialism is not all that it is cracked up to be and to reach that point one
has to have material comfort. There is a well-known theory in management circles
that unless and until physical needs are met , there is no chance of meeting
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> tssf-studies-bounces+averilswanton=fish.co.uk@justus.anglican.org
[mailto:tssf-studies-bounces+averilswanton=fish.co.uk@justus.anglican.org]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>GPlumb2000@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 12 February 2006 20:40<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
tssf-studies@justus.anglican.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [TSSF-studies]
PILGRIMAGE ON THE FRANCISCAN INTELLECTUALTRADITION 7 - 15...</span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Very splendid - but also
very expensive. I would love to be able to go. But how does spending the best
part of £1,000 on this fit with Day 12 of the Principles?<br>
<br>
"Personal spending is limited to what is necessary for the health and
well-being of us and of our dependents?"<br>
<br>
I think there is a case for a thorough-going discussion of what poverty has
meant in the Franciscan tradition and what it might mean today. There has been
a great deal written about poverty and the Franciscan tradition in recent
years.<br>
<br>
An issue that keeps nagging me is that living simply/espousing voluntary
poverty is only an option for those who are comfortably off. What of those for
whom voluntary poverty is not an option because they are already grindlngly
poor? Is the Franciscan way not open to them? (How far does the socio-economic
make up of the TO reflect that of our wider society - and if not why not?<br>
<br>
<br>
Gordon Plumb</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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